From: Tilak Shrestha firstname.lastname@example.org
Dear Thomas Jee and Pradeep Jee
My apology for the slow response. I wonder how did you come to conclusion that I am attacking Christianity? I am merely a messenger and putting forth the Christian doctrine as it is. Following central doctrines are Christian, not mine. Correct? If you disagree please do question Bible or Christianity, not me.
A. Jesus is the only way to heaven. All Christians go to Heaven, no matter how evil. All others go to Hell, no matter how virtuous.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.
Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus
John 3:16-18 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son. Whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. But he who does not believe is condemned already.
It means all your non-Christian ancestors are in hell. Do you agree? Can the doctrine be true?
Consider the views:
Tilak: Your ancestors were virtuous and are in Heaven.
Christianity: Your ancestors were not Christians, thus are in Hell.
Who is your brother? Who is insulting you and your ancestors?
Another central doctrine of Christianity is ‘sins are transferable.’ Adam and Eve commit sin, and all humanity is sinful. Babies are born in sin. People commit crime and Jesus pays for it. Jesus pays for crimes committed only by Christians and that include crimes to be committed in future.
Truth: ‘Sins are not transferable.’ Each of us has to face consequences of our deeds.
Do you agree with Christian doctrine? Can the doctrine be true?
B. Nepal is a small and poor nation. But the poverty is of money, not of spirit. Nepal is the nation on high Himalayas, abode of Lord Shiva and Goddess Parvati. Nepal-Himalaya is lived and blessed by Rishis like Gorakh Nath, Ne, Marichi, Angira, Pulah, Vrigu, Atrya and others. It is the land where King Janak ruled, Queen Sita and Tathagata Buddha were born. Nepalese princess and queen of Tibet Bhrikuti spread Buddhism in Tibet, then to China and beyond.
The Nepali artist and architect Balabahu transformed the Chinese arts and architecture. He is given the title of ‘Araniko’ by the Chinese Emperor himself.
When all the India was under the pale of foreigners we Nepalese beat all the foreign invasions including British Empire. The Nepali spirit leaves on even today:
A. Queen honors Gurkha who killed 30 Talibans in Afghanistan
B. Indian government confers Nepali youth with high decorations for bravery by fighting off 40 robbers and rescuing a girl about to be raped.
You are correct to think that I know, respect and proud of my ancestors. I wish you could do the same. You agree with Christianity that all your virtuous but non-Christian ancestors are in Hell, do not you? What a shame.
C. You wrote ‘Veda is not correct’ as a defense of Bible. You are wrong. Truthful of Veda has no relation on un-truth of Bible. It is only a sorry ‘red herring’ on your part to defend the Bible. Veda cannot be wrong. Veda is the collection of the knowledge base as known to the people living in the Sharaswati river basin. It has mathematics, medicine, architect, philosophies, history, geography and others as known then. A theory or an idea may be wrong, but the collection cannot be wrong. Library is a collection of books. A book or a theory within may be wrong. But the library cannot be wrong. I am sure there are many issues in Vedas, some correct, some not so. Vedas them self differentiate between widely accepted views (Shruti) and individual views (Smriti). Please give me quotes from Bible and let me give my opinion. Veda is not written by Barbarians. However, who cares about the author? It is the content that matters. Here are a few quotes from Veda. Which ones you have objection to?
Satyam ewa jayate. Truth always triumphs.
Vashundhaiva kutumbakam. World is a family.
Sarve api sukhino santu. Let all be happy.
Yeto Dharma stato jaya. Victory is where virtue is.
Sarva Dharma sambhava Many paths to the summit
Om mani padme hum. Goodness comes out of goodness.
Om shantih, shantih, shantihi. Divine peace, peace, and peace.
D. There are many version of Jesus all the way from never existed to Jewish Rabbi. I do appreciate his teaching of love to all, a Bhakti margi. There are scholars who forward information on him. According to them his biological father was ‘Panthera’, a Roman soldier. In his teens he ran away to and then again returned to India after being crucified by Romans. Evidently he did not die on the cross. I did not ask why he could not save himself. I state others sins cannot be paid by him. He neither claimed to do so. Otherwise he would have been saying all along that he came to pay for others sins, including sins of Romans. The conversation between Jesus and others, including ordinary people, Jewish priests or Roman governor would have been quite different. Would not that be?
E. Contrary to your assertion Hinduism has one divinity and Christianity has many. I do not know how many Gods there are? Do you know? Have you seen even a single one? Thus, to talk about Monotheism being better than polytheism is nonsense. However, Hinduism considers one divinity ‘Ishwar’, which manifest as many Devi/Devata as per the human needs. Bible starts with the assumption that there are many Gods, each limited by territory. Like God of Delhi or God of Bihar, a geographical issue or local nationalism. Ancient people there used to worship all of them. Moses wanted worshiping only one of them. That is, it is not an understanding that there is only one divinity. Rather it is choosing to worship a single God out of many. That is done to militarize the Jewish tribe. Military can have only one commander. Bible is not really a scripture about spirituality, but subjective political history of Jewish people.
F. Hinduism is a collection of Dharmas. A Dharma is about truth ‘Satya’ and spiritual practice ‘Yoga.’ In essence the path to Heaven is through practice of ‘Good heart’ within and ‘Good deed’ outside. Please read the article ‘Dharma and religion’, ‘Karma’ and ‘Way of knowledge’ for more explanations. Dharma is not religion. Religions like Christianity is about social control through brain washing. They are not comparable. Hindu mythology carries messages within, not just stories like Iliad. Please read the explanation on ‘rebirth’ and law of Karma in the article ‘Karma.’ It is not really about ‘believing’ many births, but about careful thinking and charting out assumptions vs. explanations. ‘Brahman’ is not a person, but the ultimate reality. What you see around is ‘Samsar’ a created reality, a projection of Brahman. It cannot be understood intellectually, but may be realized through meditation. These issues may be a little above your understanding. So first read about and meditate before giving your opinion. Pouring Ghee on statue is culture, not spirituality. It is not like eating flesh and drinking blood of Jesus. Caste system is not about Dharma or Gods, but about social evolution. It is about jobs specialization and motivation, not Dharma. Our Gods love all regardless of caste or creed.
G. Christianity does not allow free thinking. That is why Church burned alive Professor Giordano Bruno for saying ‘Earth moves around the Sun’, and Church\Pope instituted inquisition. They burned books and libraries. Later Europeans had to go searching for their own heritage in foreign libraries. Do you call ‘Inquisition’ freedom of thinking?
Of course, Pradeep Jee reads European history doing ‘Shirshasan’ or standing on the head. Otherwise, he might have noticed that pre-Christian Europeans tolerated any religious groups including Christians. Europe had such a great philosophical and cultural tradition with illustrious individual like Socrates, Aristotle, Euclid, Plato, Pythagoras and others. You have heard of ‘Pax Romana’, have not you?
Guess what happened once Church came to power? Christianity destroyed all and dragged Europe down to the ‘Dark Age.’ They killed off the people of pre-Christian religions. The religious wars killed millions.
The ‘Renaissance’ is basically Europeans coming together and getting rid of Christian hold. They instituted ‘Secularism’ not to let Christianity play murders again, and kept Pope within Vatican like the ‘small pox’ virus within the research institute. The current progress of Europe is not because of but in spite of Christianity. And that happened only after displacing the ‘Dark age’ of Christianity with the ‘age of Reason.’
H. Aryans did not come from Europe or Iran. On the contrary, Aryans migrated from India to Iran and Europe. Here are a few links to enlighten yourself. I am also attaching a note ‘Origin of Hinduism’ from the book ‘Vedic Aryans and the origin of civilization’, 2001, by Navaratna Rajaram and David Frawley. Know your roots and be proud.
1. Archaeology in India.
2. Indus Sarasvati civilization and Aryan question.
3. Aryan Invasion Theory Links:
4. “Saraswati – The ancient river lost in the desert.” A. V. Sankaran.
5. “Scientists prove existence of mythical Saraswati river.” The Times of India. May 2, 2001.
6. “The Saraswati: Where lies the mystery.” Saswati Pai K. GIS Development.
Tilak Shrestha, Ph.D.