From: Bhavesh Merjia
Subject: Two simple things to atheist friends
(The inserts in italics are by Skanda987)
The response makes it clear that the atheists are not in a position to give a single example of a material thing which is produced without any sort of involvement of any conscious doer or kartaa.
What time the doer or kartaa takes in making something? – is entirely a different question. Raising such a different question, leaving the point under discussion aside, displays the sign of inability to stand on the issue. This is called ‘Vishayaantar’ i.e. shifting the issue.
If creation of the natural elements are ‘well documented’ (as the atheists say), then why this question – “WHO HAS ESTABLISHED & MAINTAINED THIS MATHEMATICAL SERIES in these basic elements of nature?” Is it not honestly answered by the enthusiastic atheist?
Doesn’t an atheist acknowledge the presence of science of mathematics in the structures of these natural elements tabulated in the Periodical Table?
If yes, then kindly tell who has applied this science in structures of these natural elements?
Do inert elements possess the knowledge of mathematics?
Can we imagine presence of knowledge without its conscious substratum?
Can an attribute exist without its substratum?
Kindly try to understand. Knowledge proves presence of some conscious entity (who has that knowledge.)
Krishna says in Guta verse 7.4:
“Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false ego–all together these eight comprise My separated material energies.”
This is called prakriti in the Vedic literature. It is personified as goddess(es).
Krishna says in Gita verse 9.10:
“This material nature is working under My direction, O son of Kunti, and it is producing all moving and unmoving beings. By its rule this manifestation is created and annihilated again and again.”
Knowledge is an attribute. It cannot be imagined without its substratum.
Theism is not against science and technology. It only says that as the physical things exist, same way two conscious entities (one God and second – so many souls) do also exist. It is not a rule that only inert, physical entities can have existence. Conscious entities also can exist. That is why in the list of ‘Dravyas’ (substances or substratums), ‘Aatmaa’ (God & Soul) are also included in the Vedic philosophy.
If we accept the existence of these conscious entities and take them in the correct way, we can have still better life.
Still, if someone wishes not to accept the existence of God and/or soul, it is one’s freedom.
(Some atheists are out to make others atheists. They haveno interst for dialogue to understand the truth. Only a few atheists are interested to know the trith, and when they find it, they accept it. Such an atheists Narendra, who instantly became a theists after Swami Ramkrishna put him in Samadhi by holding his thumb for a few seconds. With such atheist the Vedics will dialoge, but hot with the other type. They will need several human births to come to know the existence of God.)
With this message I stop as I can’t spare more time on this issue. However, my atheist friends are free to cherish this as their victory. I would not object.