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Subject: Kargil “Victory”. Hang The Supreme Commander!
So nice of you to write that important bit about Maneckshaw. How true.
I may add another incident in which he showed guts to defy the prime minister, a secret convert to Islam.
During war against Pakistan (1971-72) when our troops were advancing rapidly, the Musalmaani Indira (Maimoona Begum) got jittery. She called Maneckshaw and asked him to cease fire to avoid needless carnage of Pakistani soldiers and the Bengali citizens.
Maneckshaw was shrewd enough to see through her pro Pakistani orientation and her contempt of our own army that she regarded as mercenaries. He was horrified to hear the words “cease fire” over which he, and his soldiers, had been seething with anger since they were held back by her pro Pakistani father Jawaharlal Nehru in Kashmir.
He told her point blank, “Bibi, leave the fighting to me. I am a professional soldier, not a mercenary. My next step will be to blast the “cease-fire” ordered by your father in Kashmir!
Indira flew in rage. She asked the Field Marshal to leave at once. Thereafter the ruling establishment never gave him the respect he deserved. Neither the prime minister nor the defense minister attended the funeral of India’s most illustrious and distinguished soldier!
In 1947 the armed forces put Nehru above our Akhand Bharat. In 1999 our armed forces put Atal Bihari Vajpayee known for his “bottle” than his “baton” above our Jawans’ lives!
26 Jul 16.
In a message dated 7/25/2016 5:53:20 P.M. GMT Daylight Time, .. .. writes:
In contrast to Kargil we know for sure that Field Marshal Manekshaw refused to Indira Gandhi to fight during impending rainy season as well as he wanted the information about attack without loss of his Soldiers. Strategy is must before war. He was ready to resign rather than sacrifice his duty bound soldiers. TRUELY SON OF BHARATMATA.
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On 25 Jul 2016, at 17:27 … … wrote:
HANG THE SUPREME COMMANDER
MORE ON KARGIL “VICTORY”
How the Government of India made sure of MAXIMUM deaths of our own “Jawans”?
The enemy had daringly & surreptitiously come over across the international border, climbed the soaring heights and dug in the effective lethal trap for the Indian troops, catching them by surprise (with “pants down”).
The useless sector commander on the Indian side had not assessed the danger of the enemy approach in that way. The HEIGHTS were also left unoccupied with NO observation post to keep an eye on the surrounding ground. Total lack of professionalism and preparedness!
That itself counts as CRIME. Main Criminals: India’s SUPREME COMMANDER and the DEFENCE MINISTER. Both ought to have been PUT ON TRIAL for negligence of duty and BETRAYAL OF TROOPS in the field and removed from their posts. They neither had the sense of shame and self-respect to resign nor the code of honor to commit suicide like the captain of the sinking ship. They were not dismissed in disgrace or put in prison like Minister Krishna Menon and General Kaul after 1962 DEBACLE.
After the battle began, the Indian troops were ordered to do FRONTAL ATTACKS up the steep hills repeatedly, taking UNNECESSARY casualties in dead and wounded. This is clearly contrary to the most elementary knowledge of the tactics in battle.
The tactics were so FLAWED that many of us wondered if the senior army officers had any brains or training to do mountain warfare. In reality it was not the general but the “big baboo” controlling him from behind.
In a situation like this where the enemy is entrenched on great heights it was simply SUICIDAL to go up the hills, carrying weapons, ammunition and equipment and face the bullets head on, simply to die.
Before sending in the Infantry, the Artillery and the Air Force had to POUND the enemy occupied heights day and night till not even a lizard was left alive. Common sense would dictate the use of AIR FORCE to drop huge bombs on the heights to destroy the trenches and kill the enemy soldiers. We saw how the Americans blasted BAGHDAD from the air before the ground troops went in. The whole sky was lit up with FIRES when the bombs exploded. It is because the American nation and their generals VALUE the lives of soldiers immensely, and never expose them to needless danger. In contrast, for the Indian RULERS soldiers’ life is DIRT CHEAP and they take no time in betraying the armed forces.
There are so many questions left unanswered from the previous defeats and disasters, for example.
Defeat of 1947 when ONE THIRD of India was unconditionally surrendered to the enemy in utmost haste and panic and all claims to recover the territory GIVEN UP in perpetuity. The FOOLS never defined the ENEMY!
No patriot stepped forward to shoot dead JAWAHARLAL NEHRU who said, “I have given Karachi, Quetta, Lahore, Peshawar and Dhaka to your “brothers”. Now CELEBRATE your Independence!” The nation of dwarfs and fools CELEBRATED, and do so on 15 August year in and year out!
If defeat (ENFORCED Partition) is celebrated as victory (“Independence”) then it must confuse the soldiers, too, whether to bother defending an odd hill here and a bridge there.
Why were Artillery, mountain and field guns, not employed to pound the heights and pulverize the enemy positions BEFORE sending in the Jawans to climb the steep hills head on? The defense minister is silent. So is the Supreme Commander. If they are answerable only to the Italian born First Lady, then that is where the matter must end. Why bother to question further?
The alternative step was to circumvent the enemy positions and go behind and then come up FROM THE REAR with a coordinated assault from the front. That, too, was not done. Why not?
Yet another step was to drop the PARATROOPERS at the back and make the enemy run in PANIC, with bullets coming from the rear and the front.
But overlooking the rules of warfare the Indian army did FRONTAL ATTACKS in the manner of 18th and 19th centuries.
Truly, 127 MP’s in Lok Sabha (one for each soldier killed) and the DEFENCE MINISTER had to be tried for treason and hanged to death for those young men in Army uniform killed in that battle!
A Memorial will NOT cover up the Generals’ “cock up”, especially when the Defense Minister was one of the BABOOS who was more suitable to run a corner shop than to conduct a war.
Now let us say it openly to honor the memory of the 127 JAWANS and officers who were killed:
“Those wasted lives were on account of SONIA GANDHI-MAINO who was consulted by the Chief of the Army Staff on the manner of fighting the Pakistanis who were related by blood & ideology to the Dynasty.
The Indian Army has to wait for the day of real victory when KHYBER is re-captured in the footsteps of brave SIKH soldiers.
Finally, let us see what “victory” means and some examples of real victories in recent time.
Victory has two elements. 1. TERRITORY GAINED; 2. THE ENEMY IS CRUSHED.
Examples: BOTH WORLD WARS. Let us see the maps of Europe before and after World War 1 and World War 2. In both cases the German WAR MACHINE was completely destroyed. Now look at the so-called “Kargil victory”.
(a) Pakistani forces were pushed back. They were not destroyed.
(b) Pakistan did not sign document of surrender like our India signing the Document of Surrender called “Partition”!
(c) Pakistani war machine remained intact.
(d) Despite deliberately wrong and suicidal tactics used we did manage to get back to the old border. Not an inch of Pakistani TERRITORY was gained. No new maps were printed as in Europe after both World Wars. But India’s leaders can call it Victory and the surrender of Sindh, West Punjab and East Bengal “Independence”.
The capture of East Pakistan and North Kashmir can be regarded real victories. But it was NO victory when we RETURNED the captured territory back to the ENEMY and in North Kashmir we remain stuck “forever”! (No. Things will / must chane for better. – Skanda987)
TRUTH on the Battle of Kargil is waiting to come out. One day it will.
Total obliteration of the “treacherous HINDU BASHING mongrel” All-India Congress Party will also be known as “victory”. Till then any skirmish or battle where we are surprised by the enemy and recover our own territory, suffering needless casualties, is NO “Victory” worth celebrating!
Indian army since 1947 has been in “array yaar, sab chaltaa hai!” mode, doing the bidding of CORRUPT “baboos & masters” instead of ousting them all from absolute arbitrary powers. The only exception was Field Marshal Maneckshaw who immediately fell afoul of arrogant uncrowned “Empress” Maimoona Begum, the autocratic Prime Minister of Hindusthan.
Now we expect the Government of India to raise two regiments to redeem their honor.
FIRST: GENERAL HARI SINGH NALWA ARMOURED BRIGADE (TO HONOUR THE WARRIOR WHO DEFEATED THE AFGHANS AND CAPTURED KHYBER PASS),
AND SECOND, NETAJI BOSE INFANTRY REGIMENTAL CENTRE. NETAJI ESTABLISHED “AZAD HINDU FAUJ (INDIAN NATIONAL ARMY) IN BURMA TO LIBERATE BHARAT.”
For the world’s fourth largest army a real victory worth celebrating would have been to capture Muzaffargarh and hoist the Indian flag there.
Now let us see what fulfils the two major criteria of victory.
World War 2. Both Germany and Japan surrendered unconditionally and both ceded TERRITORY. Germany ceded Poznan and Breslau in Poland and Konigsberg (now Kaliningrad). Japan ceded four islands: Etorofu, Kunashiri, Shikotan and the Habomai group of islets to the Soviet Union.
The PACIFIST surrendering, appeasing Government of India is also expected to SMASH all the statues of MK GANDHI, the Apostle of Defeat & Disaster, before the PEOPLE rise to do so. Compare Gandhi confronting JINNAH and Sri Rama confronting RAVANA!
Written and first posted on 12 June 2013 during ‘Congress & Sonia’ rule over Hindusthan.